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I came across a tweet the other day that raised an interesting point. (And with no live sport to write about, you better believe I’m going to milk it for all that it’s worth.)

BBC Sport presenter Sarah Mulkerrins posed the following question to her followers: “Am I the only one that would remove all mention of ‘ladies’ in women’s sport?” The replies were overwhelmingly in favour of Mulkerrins’ suggestion, with prominent journalists and reporters like Greg Allen, Kieran Cunningham and Jacqui Oatley all siding with the Irishwoman.

All told, of the 100-plus comments and quote retweets, at least 90% agreed that ‘ladies’ should be ditched from the sporting lexicon.

In a follow-up article, Fiona Tomas, a sports reporter for The Telegraph, explained why she “loathes” the word.

“Overt gender marking has always been an inherent problem for women in sport, but the term ‘ladies’ takes it to a whole new level. For me, the term screams physical fragility, reinforces sexist stereotypes and depicts sportswomen as inferior to sportsmen.

“The lady boxers, jockeys and footballers of this world have bigger barriers to size up to as sportswomen - the fight for increased media coverage, having equal opportunities and the battle to change sexist perceptions.

“The word ‘lady’ works against all those aims, feeding Victorian stereotypes that seek to negate and ultimately differentiate, rather than integrate, women’s sport.”

Tomas also highlighted the fact that many English soccer teams have rebranded from ‘ladies’ to ‘women’ in recent times, a trend that was started by Manchester City in 2014. At the time, City and England captain Steph Houghton called it a “very positive name change”.

These days many sports appear to favour ‘women’ over ‘ladies’, at least in an official capacity. Notable exceptions include golf (the Ladies European Tour and the Ladies Professional Golf Association) and tennis (the Ladies’ Singles and Ladies’ Doubles at Wimbledon). Organisers of the grand old English tennis tournament do, at least, refer to the male competitors using the equivalent marker, i.e. gentlemen.

Here in Ireland, the national soccer and rugby teams are both referred to as the Irish women’s team. (In fact, speaking of rugby, the sport’s governing body has renamed the Women’s Rugby World Cup as the Rugby World Cup, removing the gender marker altogether.)

On the other hand, you also have the Ladies Gaelic Football Association and all the teams, players and competitions under their stewardship are almost exclusively referred to as ‘ladies’.

As fate would have it, I had arranged to interview the new Kerry ladies captain, Aislinn Desmond, the day after the Ladies v Women argument cropped up on my timeline. A Kerry footballer since 2009, Desmond is perhaps better placed than most to address the issue. So, did the ‘Kerry lady’ ever consider that being referred to as a ‘lady’ might be a bit old-fashioned?

“Not really,” she admits, “…until I read those comments online. Maybe because it’s called the LGFA, that’s what I’ve always grown up seeing and hearing. I never really thought about it.

“‘Ladies’ isn’t a word I’d use in my day-to-day life. Like, it is old-fashioned. When I saw the comments I did think to myself, ‘Jeez, yeah, that’s so weird’.

“But I’ve only ever known it as ‘ladies football’.”

Ideally, Desmond added, we wouldn’t need to use the terms ‘ladies football’ or ‘women’s football’ at all, it would just be Gaelic football and whether it was women’s team or a men’s team would be irrelevant.

POLL
I ran a poll on my own Instagram just to gauge the general feeling amongst my female followers and the results were interesting. 58% of the women who responded said the use of the word ‘ladies’ in sporting contexts didn’t bother them, while the remaining 42% said they would prefer to see the word ‘women’ being used.

The comments ranged from ‘incredulous that someone is complaining about it’ to ‘incredulous that female athletes are still being called ladies in 2021’. There appears to be no clear consensus, at least not amongst my modest Instagram following, although I should also point out that there were more female athletes on the ‘anti-ladies’ side than the ‘pro-’.

My male followers (who were not asked to vote but still accounted for 60% of all respondents) were almost exclusively on the ‘pro-ladies’ side. Not that it matters.

As a fellow man, it’s obviously not for me to decide whether or not ‘ladies’ is the right term to use either, but I will say that from a journalist’s perspective, it’s not really a word I write with any great enthusiasm. Like most people in 2021, I wouldn’t use ‘ladies’ in the workplace or in any professional environment for that matter, so it does seem a bit out of place.

‘Women’s football’ feels more neutral and respectful, and maybe even a little less condescending, to me than ‘ladies football’ (it should be ladies’, really, but that’s a different can of worms). Although, again, it’s not really for me to say.

 

What do you think? Is the word ‘ladies’ appropriate when it comes to sporting contexts? Email sport@killarneyadvertiser.ie and let us know where you stand. You can also follow Adam on Instagram and Twitter for all the latest talking points.

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Fossa Swimmers make a splash at County Finals

The Fossa Swim team pictured at the Tralee Sports Complex following their successful outing at the County Finals of the Community Games on Sunday, February 15. The 25-strong squad delivered […]

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The Fossa Swim team pictured at the Tralee Sports Complex following their successful outing at the County Finals of the Community Games on Sunday, February 15.

The 25-strong squad delivered an impressive performance, securing a total of 37 medals across various individual and relay events.
Two Fossa swimmers captured gold medals, officially qualifying them for the National Community Games Finals scheduled for later this year.

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On the Ball Part 2 of the Mikey Daly Interview

Éamonn Fitzgerald EF: Killarney Celtic are invited to participate in an Irish competition. That has big financial implications for travel, meals, etc. MD: It is great to be invited, showing […]

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EF: Killarney Celtic are invited to participate in an Irish competition. That has big financial implications for travel, meals, etc.
MD: It is great to be invited, showing the quality of our squads, but travel costs are very high. I have been looking at clubs like ours in Limerick, Tipperary, Clare and elsewhere for a regionalised competition so that travel costs could be reduced, but I don’t see any commitment to that idea. It’s up in the air at the moment.
EF: Running an amateur sports club is very expensive, especially if you have so many successful teams in competition.
MD: You are well aware of that yourself, but with all of our activities, we are funded by the usual sources used by all sports to collect money. We are in a very good financial state.
EF:How good?
MD: As a trustee of the club, I am very proud to say that we are almost debt-free and we expect to be clear of any debt by October this year, marking our 50th anniversary. In saying that, whether you are an Under 12 or a senior player, all you have to pay for a training session with Killarney Celtic is €2.

EF:The women in Celtic appear to do great work developing soccer for all.
MD: Yes, they do marvellous work in so many parts of the club, led by trojan worker Mary Lyne. On Wednesday night last, the Mothers, Others and Friends started a weekly non-competitive fun game under lights at Celtic Park, and that is great.

EF: Can, can you see some ex-Celtic player is going to make it with a top Irish club and then cross Channel?
Md: I have to compliment Killarney Athletic here right away because Brendan Moloney and Diarmaid O’Carroll did just that. We haven’t had any such shining light yet, but we know that we will in the future because we have great young successful players coming through.
EF: Reverting back again, to 1976, you would have come up at the time The ‘ban’ was abolished. That rule prevented GAA players from playing soccer. If they did, they were suspended. However, it must have been difficult for a player to play both codes when it was permitted.
MD: Fair dues to Seán Kelly, he removed the “ban’, and we were very fortunate that there were some great players from Spa in particular, like Billy Morris, Seán Cronin, the Cahill brothers, James and John, Seánie Kelliher and others. They wanted to play football and soccer. The way we worked it in Celtic was that if the football season was over, then they always played soccer with us, and vice versa
EF: Why do you think that club soccer has become so popular in Ireland? It is climbing the rankings as a sport in Ireland.
MD: Because it’s on television the whole time, and the coverage is getting is precedented. Anytime you turn on the TV, you will find a soccer game from all parts of the world, not just cross channel. The 11-a-side is probably easier to organise than we say 15-a-side in the GAA, and some small clubs, particularly in rural areas, find it hard to get 15 to form a team. See what they’re doing in places. Two neighbouring teams get together as one team, and that’s understandable because all people want to do is play. Of course, not all young people wish to play soccer; they have different hobbies, learning the guitar or whatever, and that is great for them. That’s my experience anyway.

EF: The real crunch time comes when they get to roughly 18-years-old, completing their post-primary education and moving away from Killarney for third-level education. They may be in college, anywhere in the country, making it difficult to come down and play with their local club. So that’s one big reason for the fall off.
MD: Some fall away before that, believe it or not.
EF: Do you think Celtic are doing well, promoting the club?

Yes, for all sexes, but particularly for the girls, so that they can stay on longer for valuable coaching. We’re very fortunate to have David McIndoe as coach for the Celtic girls, and he is outstanding, absolutely fantastic.
EF: The FAI seems to stumble from one crisis to another, but at local level soccer is alive and well in towns, as well as in rural areas. Ballyhar and Mastegeeha are very good examples where great facilities have been developed by enthusiastic volunteers and that attracts the players
MD: So I think once you get to the stage where you have a facility and committed club people, you’re there. We have a very good membership, and we’d be well organised for parents who support their kids playing, and they do. We have two stands, as you know, one dedicated to our former great Celtic man, John Doyle (RIP). That’s important nowadays that you have a clubhouse where the spectators can get that welcome cup of coffee they will relish, especially on cold days.
EF: Where do you see Celtic in 2076?

MD: As I said earlier in Killarney Celtic, we are welcoming for everyone, the local Irish, of course, but it’s open to all. We have great people originally, from China, Europe, and the Middle East. We have an exceptionally good committee at the moment. We had people with foresight like Dermot O’Callaghan (RIP), who were progressive, and of course, that family continues the Celtic tradition. Obviously, we like to push the thing on a bit further, but we’re very conscious that we spent 50 years putting this together and we want to make sure that when we go, the structures are in place in (Killarney) Celtic for the next 50 ( years)As a trustee I am very proud of how we have developed and will celebrate that achievement this year. We will also remember the Celtic players and supporters who have passed away since 1976 and look forward to whatever challenges and opportunities face Killarney Celtic in the years ahead. It is hard to believe that it all started from our conversation (with Billy Healy and Tommy O’Shea) that a new club was needed in Killarney, so that all players who wish to play soccer will be able to play at whatever level they wish and join us at Celtic Park.
EF: Thanks, Mikey, and wish you good health on your daily cycles with your good friend Mike O’Neill.
That’s Mikey Daly, always a pleasure to chat with him on a variety of sports.

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